diff --git a/gradle.properties b/gradle.properties
index 33e4149..5e51313 100644
--- a/gradle.properties
+++ b/gradle.properties
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ curseforge_id=482600
 curseforge_optional_dependencies=fabric-api
 
 fabric_version=0.60.0+1.19.2
-commons_version=2022.9.15+12-51-21
+commons_version=2022.9.25+10-22-41
 modmenu_version=4.0.6
 
 asm_version=9.3
diff --git a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/HttpUtils.java b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/HttpUtils.java
index 075f970..edd417d 100644
--- a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/HttpUtils.java
+++ b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/HttpUtils.java
@@ -1,25 +1,22 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf;
 
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.*;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 
-import java.io.IOException;
-import java.io.InputStream;
-import java.io.InputStreamReader;
+import java.io.*;
 import java.lang.reflect.Type;
-import java.net.URI;
-import java.net.URISyntaxException;
-import java.net.URLEncoder;
-import java.net.http.HttpClient;
-import java.net.http.HttpRequest;
-import java.net.http.HttpResponse;
+import java.net.*;
+import java.net.http.*;
 import java.nio.charset.StandardCharsets;
-import java.util.List;
 import java.util.Map;
 import java.util.Optional;
 import java.util.regex.Pattern;
 import java.util.stream.Collectors;
 import java.util.stream.Stream;
 
+/**
+ * @deprecated User the commons HttpUtils instead
+ */
+@Deprecated
 public class HttpUtils {
     private static final HttpClient CLIENT = HttpClient.newBuilder().followRedirects(HttpClient.Redirect.ALWAYS).build();
 
@@ -86,7 +83,7 @@ public class HttpUtils {
 
         public Request bodyJson(Object object) {
             builder.header("Content-Type", "application/json");
-            builder.method(method.name(), HttpRequest.BodyPublishers.ofString(GsonHolder.getGson().toJson(object)));
+            builder.method(method.name(), HttpRequest.BodyPublishers.ofString(GsonHolders.API.getGson().toJson(object)));
             method = null;
 
             return this;
@@ -144,7 +141,7 @@ public class HttpUtils {
 
         public <T> T sendJson(Type type) throws IOException {
             InputStream in = _send("application/json", HttpResponse.BodyHandlers.ofInputStream());
-            return in == null ? null : GsonHolder.getGson().fromJson(new InputStreamReader(in), type);
+            return in == null ? null : GsonHolders.API.getGson().fromJson(new InputStreamReader(in), type);
         }
 
         private String getString(Object a) throws IOException {
diff --git a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/LibJf.java b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/LibJf.java
index f274c9f..03c713e 100644
--- a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/LibJf.java
+++ b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/LibJf.java
@@ -1,26 +1,29 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf;
 
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.log.*;
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.GsonHolder;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.gson.GsonAdapter;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.gson.HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy;
 import net.fabricmc.api.ModInitializer;
 import net.fabricmc.loader.api.FabricLoader;
+import net.fabricmc.loader.api.entrypoint.EntrypointContainer;
+import net.fabricmc.loader.api.metadata.ModMetadata;
 
 public class LibJf implements ModInitializer {
     public static final String MOD_ID = "libjf";
     public static final Logger LOGGER = Logger.forName(MOD_ID);
 
     static {
-        GsonHolder.modifyBuilder(builder -> {
-            builder.serializeSpecialFloatingPointValues();
-            builder.setOmitQuotes();
-            for (GsonAdapter adapter : FabricLoader.getInstance().getEntrypoints(MOD_ID + ":gson_adapter", GsonAdapter.class)) {
-                adapter.apply(builder);
+        //TODO remove all uses of this from dependents, then remove this
+        GsonHolders.modifyBuilder(builder -> {
+            for (EntrypointContainer<GsonAdapter> container : FabricLoader.getInstance().getEntrypointContainers(MOD_ID + ":gson_adapter", GsonAdapter.class)) {
+                ModMetadata meta = container.getProvider().getMetadata();
+                LOGGER.warn("Mod " + meta.getName() + " (" + meta.getId() + ") uses the now deprecated libjf:gson_adapter. Please update!");
+                container.getEntrypoint().apply(builder);
             }
         });
         HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy.register();
-        GsonHolder.register();
+        GsonHolders.registerSerializer();
     }
 
     @Override
diff --git a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/gson/HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy.java b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/gson/HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy.java
index 1894cad..d8559d5 100644
--- a/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/gson/HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy.java
+++ b/libjf-base/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/gson/HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy.java
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.gson;
 
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.GsonHolder;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.gson.ExclusionStrategy;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.gson.FieldAttributes;
 import net.fabricmc.api.EnvType;
@@ -17,6 +17,6 @@ public class HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy implements ExclusionStrategy {
     }
 
     public static void register() {
-        GsonHolder.modifyBuilder(builder -> builder.setExclusionStrategies(new HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy()));
+        GsonHolders.modifyBuilder(builder -> builder.setExclusionStrategies(new HiddenAnnotationExclusionStrategy()));
     }
 }
diff --git a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/AuxiliaryMetadata.java b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/AuxiliaryMetadata.java
index 06af86a..854eebb 100644
--- a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/AuxiliaryMetadata.java
+++ b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/AuxiliaryMetadata.java
@@ -1,7 +1,6 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.impl;
 
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.GsonHolder;
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.LibJf;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.Category;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.JfConfig;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.dsl.CategoryBuilder;
@@ -44,7 +43,7 @@ public class AuxiliaryMetadata {
                     cv = cv.getAsObject().get("config");
                 }
             }
-            if (cv != null) metaRef.meta = GsonHolder.getGson().fromJson(FabricLoaderGsonGenerator.toGson(cv), AuxiliaryMetadata.class);
+            if (cv != null) metaRef.meta = GsonHolders.API.getGson().fromJson(FabricLoaderGsonGenerator.toGson(cv), AuxiliaryMetadata.class);
         });
         return metaRef.meta;
     }
diff --git a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/ConfigBuilderImpl.java b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/ConfigBuilderImpl.java
index c902fba..36b48a0 100644
--- a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/ConfigBuilderImpl.java
+++ b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/ConfigBuilderImpl.java
@@ -1,11 +1,10 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.impl.dsl;
 
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.GsonHolder;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.gson.*;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.gson.stream.JsonWriter;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.LibJf;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.*;
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.dsl.CategoryBuilder;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.api.v1.dsl.ConfigBuilder;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.impl.JfConfigWatchService;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.impl.entrypoint.JfConfigSafe;
@@ -15,10 +14,7 @@ import java.io.*;
 import java.nio.file.Files;
 import java.nio.file.Path;
 import java.util.Map;
-import java.util.Optional;
 import java.util.function.Consumer;
-import java.util.function.Supplier;
-import java.util.stream.Collectors;
 
 public class ConfigBuilderImpl extends CategoryBuilderImpl<ConfigBuilderImpl> implements ConfigBuilder<ConfigBuilderImpl> {
     public DslConfigInstance built;
@@ -45,7 +41,7 @@ public class ConfigBuilderImpl extends CategoryBuilderImpl<ConfigBuilderImpl> im
         write = c -> {
             c.getFilePath().ifPresent(path -> JfConfigWatchService.lock(path, () -> {
                 try (BufferedWriter bw = Files.newBufferedWriter(path);
-                     JsonWriter jw = GsonHolder.getGson().newJsonWriter(bw)) {
+                     JsonWriter jw = GsonHolders.CONFIG.getGson().newJsonWriter(bw)) {
                     writeTo(jw, c);
                 } catch (Exception e) {
                     LibJf.LOGGER.error("Could not write config for " + id, e);
diff --git a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/DslEntryInfo.java b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/DslEntryInfo.java
index 9bddaa0..02bf342 100644
--- a/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/DslEntryInfo.java
+++ b/libjf-config-core-v1/src/main/java/io/gitlab/jfronny/libjf/config/impl/dsl/DslEntryInfo.java
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 package io.gitlab.jfronny.libjf.config.impl.dsl;
 
-import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.GsonHolder;
+import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.serialize.gson.api.v1.GsonHolders;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.throwable.ThrowingConsumer;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.commons.throwable.ThrowingSupplier;
 import io.gitlab.jfronny.gson.JsonElement;
@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@ public class DslEntryInfo<T> implements EntryInfo<T> {
                 setUnchecked(e.optionForString(element.getAsString()));
             }
         } else {
-            setValue(GsonHolder.getGson().fromJson(element, type.asClass()));
+            setValue(GsonHolders.CONFIG.getGson().fromJson(element, type.asClass()));
         }
     }
 
@@ -180,7 +180,7 @@ public class DslEntryInfo<T> implements EntryInfo<T> {
             writer.comment("Valid: [" + Arrays.stream(((Type.TEnum<T>)type).options()).map(Objects::toString).collect(Collectors.joining(", ")) + "]");
         }
         writer.name(name);
-        GsonHolder.getGson().toJson(value, Objects.requireNonNullElse(type.asClass(), String.class), writer);
+        GsonHolders.CONFIG.getGson().toJson(value, Objects.requireNonNullElse(type.asClass(), String.class), writer);
     }
 
     @Override